To start off, where are you from and who were your early influences?
I'm
from Raleigh. My earliest influences were Raleigh radio stations - and
even when I was a kid it was just about all of them. I liked variety.
Lucky me, my parents weren't apathetic to music, and I got a taste of
Neil Young, Joni, Zeppelin, Floyd, CSNY, and other classic groups. Yes,
tapes. Later on, I joined the school band in 4th grade on alto sax. The
music instructors at the schools I went to in Raleigh were awesome -
another huge influence. I played saxophone(s) in middle school in which
I started playing jazz arrangements and played bari sax in the
"jazz/rock" band. At the same time, I heard my neighbor playing
bagpipes outside his house all the time, and I couldn't believe the way
they sounded. I got to see a guy I knew play once up close, and oddly
had other experiences with bagpipes where I became infatuated with
them. So I started taking lessons and listening to whatever I could
get. Retrospectively, I would say that being in band and wishing I
was back in the percussion section creating the presence of all noise,
and Carter Beauford through his work on Before These Crowded Streets
really pushed me over the edge into doing something about my lingering
interest in drums. A friend gave me this CD around that time and his
drumming clicked with me. Imaginative. I listened to that CD a lot.
I'll tell you what else was a damn good CD from that time was
Chumbawumba's Tubthumper. People have given me strange looks when I
tell them that, but that stuff is awesome. At this point in sixth
grade, I was playing this eclectic collection of instruments and just
enjoying the hell out of them. Later on after moving to Virginia, a
friend gave me Giant Steps, and I wore it out. The question how music
like Giant Steps could exist began a new quest. I continued playing sax
through high school, and drums, and pipes. I started playing in a cover
band at a bar in Northern Virginia on drums whilst taking lessons from
my most potent of drum influences - Gary White, and then really started
getting into music. That is a very brief history of my early influences
leaving out a lot of anecdotes that I am known to rarely exclude. Since
I can't drink legally yet, I guess my influences now are still early
ones. Influences are crazy now. Ball vicing metal to Eno's soundscapes
with an emphasis on everything. I just soaked it all up along the way
and felt like I connected best with music and music people; still do.
How do you think this eclectic array of both instruments and listening
albums has effected your playing, in particular within the context of
Viben Oodle?
If I were a chef, my food would be boring and the menu pretty small if I
didn't have a wide array of ingredients and know how to use them. If I
had only one ingredient to use in my kitchen, I bet people would stop
coming
to my restaurant after a while. Just relate that to music. Viben Oodle
allows me to use a lot of different ingredients, but not just a slurry
because I want the songs to taste good. Knowing how to enhance the
flavor and how to use the tools for creating can only be beneficial.
Following this analogy, how do you think your music effects the listener
who is only used to eating three basic foods: hamburgers, peas, and meat
'n potatoes? A lot of academic, esoteric musicians don't care about
their audience, so where is your position relative to them?
Meat and potato type music listeners can dig esoteric music; they can
understand what these musicians are trying to say. I know what you are
talking about to a degree, but those types of musicians simply aren't
concerning themselves with bringing their music down to people. Even
though they aren't using a tried and true method of delivering music to
them, they aren't performing their art to be a bunch of pompous, smug
mothers. They may be doing the contrary - trying to bring up the
expectations of what people can feel comfortable with, trying to
manifest their innovative musical ideas and not being concerned with
failing. Caring about the audience may be just what they are doing,
because coming up with a new route to connect with people's emotions or
sense of rhythm could really affect them in a way they never experienced
before. That would be great! The smug mothers are around, but their
intentions are those of people with hang-ups and a bag of tortilla chips on
their shoulders.
With that said, I'll bet that with open minds, people can relate to more varying
music
than commercial radio tries on them. Many musicians feel that way.
Radio is always surprising me with something they are playing though,
which is cool.
As far as my playing and the groups I am in, I can't be certain how
anyone is affected. I hope that since I love what I am doing and that
goes in to the way I play, that people will feel it. It's about vibes some might say. After all, I am in Vibe - n - Oodle.
Is it tough being this type of musician in Southwest Virginia? There are
other jazz groups such as Happy Apple from the Twin Cities, but it seems
that this location might present even more difficulties.
Yeah, it's always tough to present a piece of culture that is even a little
different
when there isn't a large pool from which to grab interested people.
Like minds clump together and I don't see the point in trying to break
up someone's particular clump. I would rather join a clump that I
connect with somewhere as opposed to wasting time scuffling with
uninterested parties. That would be absurd.
To answer the question
in a focused way, yes this area provides difficulty in getting very
many people to pay attention to any art. The difficulty lies in there
not being that many people here to begin with, and B neither the
school's culture nor the local resident's culture really emphasize key
aspects of my life - like music - to a high degree. There is simply a
difference in interests, and I won't tiptoe around the fact that indeed
occasionaly in smaller areas with less competition or a lower entry
level for gigs people have been turned off to even caring about locally
based music. People begin to assume after a few times of hearing poor
quality, that local music and under the radar music is terrible.
Anyways, I'm still trying to find my niche and my home. So I'm not so
frustrated as I was after I had been playing the area for a short
time. I got logical about the situation and zenned out a little.
Many people indeed assume that under-the-radar music is terrible. To
address this situation, oftentimes bands gather together to attract the
attention of the public, while keeping static personnel. But Viben Oodle
has a notorious reputation for incorporating guest musicians, from many
different stylistic backgrounds. How do listeners react to your dynamic
instrumentation, and how do your guests feel about sitting in?
I
have to assume people enjoy it a lot when guests play with us. Adding
another brain in there changes everything up sometimes. We'll end up
doing something with a song that is really exciting. For example, at a
show we recorded and made into a live disc, our friend Cameron
McLaughlin laid down some funky bass alongside Andy, and caused me to
change the feel of the songs around. Because I wanted to sit in
Cameron's groove really tightly, it changed the songs in to parallel
thoughts. What I mean is basically here is the original song, which is
maybe slower and swinging, and there is Cam over there funking it up
and modifying it with his feel. In the end, we got our original song
ideas with deep pockets. Other musicians just put in their take of the
music, which seems to me like the closest we can ever get to knowing
how another person perceives our material. It's exciting to have other
people shed light on us like that. For me that keeps it fresh and
sometimes all of us either consciously or subconsciously decide to play
the song with that new feel because we like it so much more.
Tell us about recording. Do you record practices, alone or in the group,
and how does it effect your learning?
I
don't record my own individual practice but come to think of it, I
should! Early on, the three of us definitely recorded a lot of our
practice and it helped me a lot. We recorded our early performances a
lot too, and listening to them over and over was really helpful because
I could hear what I needed to work on among many other aspects of my
playing. We all were able to hear how well we were playing off of each
other, which is hard to hear when you aren't listening from the outside
perspective. Listening to early recordings of performances and
practices now serves as an inspiration in the way that we can hear just
how rotten and sloppy we sounded at times and how much of a unit we
have become. All of us have grown in the last few years because of
Viben Oodle, and a lot of it came from our critiquing of each other and
our own playing. Now we don't record that often unless a guest is
playing with us, and we want to capture their new perspective to
review. With regards to recording my own personal practice, I barely
ever listened to myself playing alone. Maybe once or twice, but I
think that would be a great idea. That way I could hone in on things
that don't pop out to me so well while I'm playing with other people;
like a sloppy foot on some groove I need to work on. I do know that I
started to do weird things while playing with other people that I
notice now in my personal practice. I hum and make these weird sighs
and moans like those of slow death or getting sat on. It's hard to
explain. When you scratch a fat, lazy old assed dog behind his ears -
it's the sound that old bastard makes. The reason isn't that I am that
physically pleasured, and it's not that I am trying to get out ideas
like Keith Jarrett, it's more like I'm trying to control my exhale.
Who knows? I do it when I play sax too.
Any comments to add as far as special techniques on the drums or in the composing process?
I
don't really have any techniques that I would consider really special,
not to say that I'm a chameleon player. I have my own sound in other
words, but my physical techniques in holding the sticks, playing the
pedals, moving around the drums and such are what I learned early on
from my drum teacher, Gary White (who by the way rules), and what I
learned from watching videos of players who are known to be great
technicians like Steve Smith, or Dom Famularo. I have been moving into
playing open handed, which is something I don't do right now completely
because I only have a hat on the left side, and I don't want to totally
give up all that right hand technique that I spent all those years
developing. I'd rather just get a hat for my right hand and keep
developing both. Open handed playing seems pretty logical to me for
what I am trying to get at in my playing. I practice everything with
traditional and matched grip, but I prefer matched for most
situations. When we are composing a song in Viben Oodle, I base what I
am doing on what Andy and Josh are doing. They base what they are
doing on me. We are at the point where we can seemingly telepathically
go into new ideas and not fall apart. We got our rabbit ears on.
Later, when we have been through a lot of these ideas based on themes
and rhythms and sometimes mishaps, we'll solidify a song. We'll do
something unexpected while performing the songs though, without any
notice between each other. I choose rhythms from a large bank of ideas
I get from listening to a foolish amount of music. When Andy or Josh
throw out an idea, I put in the idea that makes me feel just right.
Feeling is practically what this thing is about to me, save for a dash
of absurd musical comedy here and there. So yeah, feeling is what all
this knowledge comes down to for me.